Hey, man, you can't be from the city.

You're not rockin' yet. That's crazy.

I can't listen to it.

I can't listen to his music no more.

Even when Kanye's music is that good,

just don't build people up this hot.

On an all new season of making from WB.E.Z. Chicago,

the rise and fall of Kanye West.

Listen forever you get your podcasts.

Pushkin'

I have a friend in California, music producer Rick Rubin.

He's a studio in Malibu called Shangri-La.

And sometimes when I'm out in Los Angeles,

I go up and see Rick.

And we sit and look out at the ocean.

And we talk.

What in your mind is the first great true hip-hop record?

I would say Run DMC Sucker M C's.

That's probably the best hip-hop record.

They were rap records before that.

But that was maybe the first hip-hop record.

You know, in that era, I had a Jade Tree in my dorm room, Run DM Tree.

...