You're listening to the Hard Men Podcast. We have a very special guest today.

We have Mr. Zach Garris.

Zach is the author of the book Masculine Christianity

which I've just reviewed on the last episode of the podcast.

It's good to have you with us today.

Thanks for having me, Eric.

Well, Zach, it's interesting because,

you know, in the last episode,

I talked about how you had sent me your book and we've talked a little bit about the book since then.

One of the things that intrigued me, I told you originally when we talked and have thought more about it is this

topic of patriarchy is not one that is you know mainstream right patriarchy is often considered a four letter word in the

culture and really dealing with anything biblical sexuality is as well so I'm

curious just some of your story and background, how you got into the subject matter.

In college I started reading complimentarian literature, you know, John Piper, Wayne Grudham, and I think just over the years reading the Bible more,

reading maybe Doug Wilson, and just thinking over some of these issues myself I just came to realize

there were some deficiencies in complimentarianism especially amongst those advocating a more narrow

approach, narrow complimentarianism. And so yeah, I just patriarchy

seemed to be the you know biblical historic view.

Was there was there a moment like when you realize I know this happened for me

because I grew up reading Piper and Grudem and you know at some

point I don't remember when it was but it was like a just this kind of Damascus road

experience where I was like wait maybe, maybe this isn't right.

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