Bring to have you along for the ride. Thanks a lot for stopping by glad to having

some lady under name is She Van Fleet. She's an author and also a survivor of

Mount Se Tung in China. She nice to meet you. How are you? Okay great. Thanks. Thank you so much for

having me in your show. You're very welcome. You know I said I told you a little while ago I've been to China

and Mao's picture is still everywhere. It's very strange.

What was China like before Mao Tseotung?

Do you know?

I mean, was it a free country sort of like America or was it never like America? Oh no, no, no, it's never like America?

Oh no, no, no, it's never like America,

but it was under authoritarian government.

Okay, so, but they overth, they overthrow it and the promise the utopia and what they got is totalitarian and the most brutal regime in the history of the world.

I think a lot of people think authoritarian and totalitarian are the same.

Authoritarian means you've got control over the people but you're not brutal.

totalitarian means you either agree with us or you're dead.

Yeah, it's kind of like, I, my understanding is authoritarians.

The government make the decision and you have to, you'll have to obey obey but they don't really get into your

your home your thoughts your mind and but totalitarian government that

controls every aspect of your life including your thinking.

As we continue, she, I just want to ask you this up front.

How did you get out?

Because I know that it was very difficult for people to leave China.

How did you get out?

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