You are listening to the Next Best Picture podcast, and this is my interview with the director and writer for Warwell.

2 plus 2 equals 5.

Raul Pack.

When I sit down to write a book, I write it because there is some lie that I want to expose.

Again, how many fingers?

My starting point is always a feeling of injustice.

The very concept of objective truth is fading out of this world.

I'm going to set down what I dare not say aloud to anyone.

This prospect frightens me much more than bombs.

The words democracy, freedom, justice have each of them several different meanings,

which cannot be reconciled with one another

all we want to welcome to the next best picture podcast where i'm being joined right now by the director

for orwell two plus two equals five not four i added that little bit on the end there raoul pack

everyone thank you so much for being here, Raul.

Thank you for inviting me.

And thank you very much for scaring the ever-living shit out of me with this movie.

I'm so sorry.

But it's unfortunately the reality.

And we are living very weird time. And nobody would have expect to leave that in the

United States. It's not even just the United States, though. I think you do a good job with this

documentary of showing how this is something that's happening all over the world. And the thing I

keep coming back to time and time again is we're always telling each other as a species, as common men and women who are fighting for peace and survival that we should not let history repeat itself.

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