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podcast with fresh episodes every Wednesday. Welcome to Book Talk for Book Talk with Jack and A. your besties with the literary podcast that deep dives into your favorite novels.

This is Jack. And I'm Amy, and we're currently in the middle of our spring book club, but today we're taking a break to talk to Alwyn Hamilton and her new novel The Notorious Virtues.

Alwyn Hamilton was born in Toronto and spent her childhood bouncing between Europe and Canada until her parents settled in a small town in France.

She left France for Cambridge University to study history of art at King's College.

And then to London.

She is the author of The Rebel of the Sands, Trader to

the Throne, and Hero at the Fall. Welcome to the show, Owen.

Hi. Thanks for having me. Thank you for going on. The listeners will never know,

we'll never have heard the journey that it took for you to get on this podcast with Chrome and

everything.

We got there in the end and that's what's important.

So it's not about the destination, it's the journey.

Exactly.

Remember that for this destination being the podcast.

Destination being Google Chrome.

Yeah.

Amen.

Well, Alwyn, we're so excited to have you here and we're very excited about your new book, The Notorious Virtues. Can you tell our listeners a little bit about the book's premise so they know what we're journeying into today? Yeah, absolutely. So I pitched it as 1920s Great Gatsby-style New York heiresses meets grim fairy tales. And it's about a family that has

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