All right, welcome back and joining us now is Jay Warner Wallace. He's been a guest once before.

We've talked about his background. He was a cold case detective. This is somebody who goes back and

investigates murder cases, things that don't have a statute of limitations, murder cases where perhaps all the witnesses have died, and he's just going back looking at the physical evidence of it.

He's now written a book called The Truth and True Crime, and I love the tagline here, when investigating death teaches us about the meaning of life.

It looks like a fantastic book, and so I wanted to get him on to

talk about that one as well. Thank you for joining us, sir. Well, thanks for having me. I really appreciate.

This is my favorite book I've written so far, so I'm glad to talk about it. Oh, it looks like a great

angle and, you know, and something that really affects all of us. And everybody loves the crime aspect and the things that you

glean from it, too, are really interesting, I think. Yeah, I think there's actually some hidden,

like, I was not a Christian through all my career, but through, you know, the first eight years

or so, I was not a believer until I was 35. I became a believer by examining the gospels,

kind of from a forensic perspective.

How do we know? Or why would we trust if we tested these people as eyewitnesses?

Why would we even think, number one, that they are written by eyewitnesses or even anybody

who had access to eyewitnesses? And if you did believe that, how would you test them to see

if they could pass the test?

Now, once I was in, I started to look at human behavior a little bit differently.

If you work murders, you are seeing people at their rawest point, the point at which all

of the kind of bars are off.

I mean, this is, sadly, when you get to the point where you're willing to do something

crazy like this, it's probably because you've been pushed to a certain limit.

And your true nature is now going to be revealed.

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