All right, welcome back, and our guest is Dr. Sophia McLennan.

She's director of the Center for Global Studies and International Affairs.

She's got a book, Trump was a joke.

Here's what the book looks like.

How satire made sense of a president who didn't. So we're going to have some fun with this because we're going to talk about the importance of satire made sense of a president who didn't.

So we're going to have some fun with this because we're going to talk about the importance of satire.

I think it's interesting that even though we are coming from completely different points in politics,

and Trump is usually known as someone who divides everybody,

I think he's put Dr. McLennan and I on the same page here.

We're both united and our incredulity about Trump and what he has done here.

And I think the appropriate way to respond to a lot of this stuff is satire. It's a very, very powerful weapon.

Saul Winski said it a very very powerful weapon a sol

linsky said it was the most powerful weapon because there's no way to answer it you know we see that the emperor is bossing you around and he's got no clothes it's

just naked tyranny the best thing you can do is point that out and start laughing uh so uh just to give you

an idea of her background she's part of research team team that has proven the political power of satirical

activism. I like what they call it laftivism to advance social change. And she's been on a CNN six-part

series, a story of late night. So we want to talk about that as well because you may have noticed

that all the late night comedy shows have become very, very politicized. She's also got another

book in the works called The Revolution Will Be Satterized. I think it'll also be televised. So

joining us now is Dr. Sophia McLennan. Thank you for joining us.

Thanks for having me.

Let's talk a little bit about this book before we get into satire,

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