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We are here today to talk about the 11th book from our friend, Dave Ziron, the Kaepernick

effect, taking a knee, changing the world.

I'm really excited for this for a few reasons, which I'll tell you about in a second. But first and foremost, can you tell us and our listeners what this book is about?

Yeah, you know, I've been asked that on a couple other shows, but I'm going to say it differently

for you, Amira, because you'll get it when I tell you the actual origin story for this book and what it's all about. You'll get it in a way because I'm a big fan of your work.

I'm a big fan of Burn It All Down.

So it's nice to be in a space where I know that there's a high level of knowledge about the subject that we're so passionate about.

So one of my books I wrote was with John Carlos, the 1968 Olympian.

It was his memoir.

And we've stayed very close.

And we were talking about two years ago.

And he said to me, one of the things that made the track world so mad at Tommy and me, talking, of course, about Tommy Smith, is that all these young people at

track meets started just raising their fists all the time all over the country. And I did like a

triple take because, you know, it's me, someone who loves history and loves these like hidden histories

and people's histories. I was like, well, what track meets? What people? Who were they? How did it affect their

lives? Ah! And like, ah, this has been lost to the wins. You know, it's 50 years later. How could we

ever know? And, you know, that was in my mind in a big way when I was trying to find a project

at the start of the pandemic because, you know, we've all seen these one-off stories about this school where people took a knee, you know, that school where this team took a knee.

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