All right, joining us now is Sheriff David Haffaway.

He is sheriff in Santa Cruz County in Arizona right on the border.

And there's been a lot happening right there in his area.

We wanted to get an update from him in terms of what he sees the problems are there,

solutions to what

is happening. But there's a lot of things that we want to talk to Sheriff Hathaway about,

the Homeland Security obsession with tracking people, as well as the sheriffs in Illinois,

who are standing on their authority to not enforce the gun control orders of the Democrat governor

and the legislature. They just passed a massive gun control bill. So joining us now is Sheriff David

Hathaway. Thank you for joining us, Sheriff. Thank you, David. Good to talk to you again.

It's always good talking to you. Now, you've been right at ground zero there. We've had the outgoing

governor, Ducey, who started putting shipping containers there on the wall as they're

concerned about the masses of people that are on the border as Title 42. They're talking about

that being taken away. This whole immigration situation on both sides. It is something of a mess.

Tell us your perspective on this. Yeah, if I can step away from my position as a law enforcement

officer for a little bit and just talk as a private individual, what should be the correct

position on immigration and on borders. And I actually wrote a book on this a few years ago.

It's called Immigration Individual versus National Borders because I saw looking at the libertarian community and I consider myself, once again not speaking as the position I'm in right now, as a radical libertarian, voluntarist, anarcho-capitalist, whatever you want to call it.

I think the market can solve everything.

Capitalism can solve anything.

Any problem, there are voluntary solutions to any problem.

So, you know, I kind of saw a conflict in the libertarian community where some people wanted freedom and free market solutions in every area except borders, except immigration, except borders.

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