Good morning, CHD. Today, I've got two guests for you, James Corbett and David Bell.

David has worked at the WHO for about nine years. He is an MD PhD from Australia and knows a whole lot about what is going on at the World Health Organization.

What I wanted to do today is we've talked a lot. We've talked four or five times with James Corbett regarding the World Health Organization, the International

Health Regulation Amendments, and the proposed pandemic treaty, and what they're really about.

But let's go back at least 20 years and talk about the global biosecurity agenda, the whole idea of pandemic preparedness, of One Health,

and where this came from, what it was intended to do, where it's going, was it hijacked,

was it always a nefarious agenda? And how then did the IHR amendments and the pandemic treaty fit into this? And who were the funders? So let's start right now. David, I wonder if you can tell us. Where did this whole global biosecurity

agenda come from? What do you remember? Yeah, there's two issues you brought up the

pandemic called biosecurity agenda and one health, and they're obviously interlinked, but they

have different ancestries, I think.

The biosecurity agenda, well, certainly that the way we see it now came, I think, 20, 25 years ago when we started to get public-private partnerships in international health.

So before that, it had been, you know, the emphasis was on community-based health,

horizontal programs, et cetera, local communities being empowered to use a jargon of that

time to manage their own health.

We started getting, you know, public-private partnerships, which has appeared for us in

the health field to be more money and therefore a good thing. So tell me, how can you impose a

public-private partnership on, you know, healthcare? You don't have to impose it because it

brings more money and everyone thinks more money must be good.

So, you know, you can treat more malaria cases if you have more money for malaria.

Right, but who wants to donate money for someone else's health care?

Exactly.

So it looks good at the time.

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