We got two massive pieces of news in special counsel

Jack Smith's investigation into the former President

Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

One of these is just broken and it's about this guy who's not exactly a household name.

This is Mike Roman.

He was the Director of Election Day operations for Trump's 2020 campaign.

You might know him as the guy who on January 6th tried to physically deliver certificates

of the fake electors from Trump's fake elector scheme to Vice President Mike Pence.

And that act, being the bag man man trying to deliver the fake electors on

January 6 to stop the certification of the 2020 election that is actually a

pretty good encapsulation of his larger role in all of this. You see

after the election there wasn't all that much to do for Trump's director of

election day operations so Mike Roman shifted to a new gig. He acted as the go-between, the vote whipper of sorts,

doing the legwork to get state-level officials on board with Trump's fake elector plan.

He wasn't the legal mastermind behind the plan. He wasn't the legal mastermind behind the plan.

He wasn't the brains of the operation.

He was the legs of the operation.

Yesterday, Mr. Roman's deputy in that position,

this guy was spotted meeting with special counsel

Jack Smith's grand jury. Tonight, the New York Times is out with a massive scoop

that Mike Roman himself is in talks to cooperate with Jacksmith's investigation.

A person familiar with the matter tells the New York Times tonight that Mr. Roman is negotiating

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