Hi, everybody and welcome back to the Find Out podcast.

This is Tim Fullerton, and I believe we are on episode 14 or 15.

I'm losing track now.

We're back to our regular format after two episodes where we actually were in person.

So I hope you enjoyed that, but I also hope you like our regular format because we have a great guest today.

One of the people who probably knows more about U.S. politics than pretty much anyone else.

He has been a reporter for a long time, worked at CNN, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and now is at Zateo and also has his own podcast called Bedevled.

It is John Harwood.

John, thanks for joining us today.

Hey, thanks for having me.

Yeah.

So as somebody who knows a lot about DC, you've written a couple of articles recently that

I want to talk about, which are on Zateo, and you guys should go check it out.

Really about one, what MAGA really means about America. And then another one where it was

talking about how Trump is actually leaving these folks behind. So how do we sort of, how do we sort

of jive the two of those pieces together where they're not really getting what they think they're

getting, but this is also

endemic of a problem in the United States. I'd love for you to sort of walk us through a little

bit of that. Well, it's sort of a two-step that Trump is doing, which is that he has attained

control of the Republican Party. The Republican Party over the last 60 or 70 years

has been amassing support among blue-collar whites, conservative whites, particularly in the

South, but not only in the South, after the Civil Rights Movement came along and Lyndon Johnson put the Democratic Party nationally,

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