From day one, enormous amounts of cybercrime having committed on the internet, whether it

was credit card fraud, eBay fraud, tax fraud, fishing attacks, and identity theft, and so

on, the guy who was at the center of it, the kingpin of it, from the beginning was Brett

Johnson, Brett then was caught, escaped from prison, caught again, worked with the government,

and now advises people, speaks about it, gives counsel to large numbers of people about cybercrime

and how to avoid it, so happy to have him tell his story in detail, and it's incredible.

Let's get to it.

This isn't your average business podcast, and he's not your average host.

This is the James Altiger show.

So Brett, you're at one point the most wanted cybercriminal, maybe on the planet, right,

and we're going to talk about all that in your history, but, and this has nothing to do

with the story you're going to tell him, but how do you reckon people say, oh, all the

criminal activities happening in crypto now, it seems to me, all the criminal activities

happening in the US dollar, but I'm just curious about your opinion.

So what I say to that, and I've been asked that before, what I say is, is you can't buy

your weed or your stolen credit cards with US cash.

All right, you have to buy it with a token.

These days it's Monero, more often than not, it's Monero.

Now that being said, if I'm out there buying those stolen credit cards, and I get my laptops

in, I, yeah, I may want to convert it finally to Bitcoin, but as a criminal, I'll want cash

because I can't go out and buy cars and watches and all that stuff with Bitcoin usually.

So I'll need cash on that.

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