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Apple News In Conversation

Inside the dark corners of the internet that breed mass shooters

Apple News In Conversation

Apple News

News Commentary, News

4.21.8K Ratings

🗓️ 30 July 2022

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

There’s a common thread between the suspects behind the killing of 23 people at a Walmart in El Paso in 2019, the mass shooting in Buffalo in May, and the attack on a crowd in Highland Park on Independence Day: They were all radicalized online and left behind a trail of digital activity. NBC News reporter Ben Collins spoke with Apple News In Conversation host Shumita Basu about how online spaces are leading to extremism and producing a generation of mass shooters. Below are excerpts from the interview.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is in conversation from Apple News. I'm Shimita Bessu. Today, how the internet is

0:10.8

radicalizing young men and producing mass murderers.

0:21.9

Like any typical 90s child, NBC reporter Ben Collins grew up with the internet,

0:28.0

which is why when he was told early in his career that he'd be covering the internet, he thought, okay, this is going to be a pretty fun and chill job.

0:37.0

One of my favorite stories from early on was there was this group of people in Dayton, Ohio who had created a Facebook event saying that

0:45.6

Limp Biscuit was going to play a concert at the Shell Station on 420 and I called them on the phone and they only spoke back to me in Limbiscuit lyrics.

0:55.4

It was like a wild ride.

0:56.9

That was the kind of thing I was covering, right?

0:59.0

But the internet was changing.

1:01.1

Ben first started to notice it in August of 2015 when something shocking happened on live TV.

1:07.8

We're continuing to follow breaking news out of Roanoke, Virginia where a reporter and

1:12.0

photographer were shot live to death on the air.

1:15.3

Allison Parker's reporter on your screen.

1:17.6

Then knew Allison Parker's boyfriend, Chris.

1:20.8

And in the days after the shooting, he started to see a lot of lies circulating on the internet.

1:26.0

People saying Chris was a crisis actor, or a conspiracy theory video on YouTube that had been viewed nearly a million times

1:34.6

saying that Allison was in on it all along. So Ben did something kind of radical.

1:40.8

He called up the people posting the lies.

1:43.4

And I would let them talk for half an hour at the end.

1:45.6

I'd be like, just letting you know, I know Chris.

1:48.6

He's been a real person this entire time.

1:50.7

And I know you think he's a character and actor or something.

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