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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

Inside RFK Jr.’s MAHA agenda | Calley Means

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

Government, Politics, News

4.41.5K Ratings

🗓️ 4 April 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is making some big shakeups at the Department of Health and Human Services — and Calley Means is one of his key strategists. In this episode, POLITICO White House Bureau Chief Dasha Burns sits down with Means to break down the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) movement, and how Secretary Kennedy is planning to channel its energy into policy goals. Dasha Burns is the White House Bureau Chief for POLITICO. Calley Means is special government employee at the Department of Health and Human Services. Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio.  Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

We should have scientific guidelines that are not corrupted by industry that tell Americans the truth.

0:07.0

Make America healthy again.

0:10.0

Maha. It's a movement, and it's here to fight the power.

0:13.0

Maha's leader in Washington is HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

0:18.0

His movement is made up of granola moms, health gurus, gym bros, and

0:23.0

regular concerned Americans. And he is now in control of one of Washington's most powerful

0:28.9

bureaucracies, the Department of Health and Human Services. We're seeing an explosion in cancers

0:34.8

in this country. We're seeing an explosion in infertility.

0:39.9

Girls are now reaching puberty six years earlier than they're supposed to.

0:45.2

Other countries are not experiencing this.

0:47.8

One of his co-pilots is Callie Means.

0:50.5

He's the best-selling co-author of the book Good Energy,

0:53.7

a former lobbyist for food and

0:55.3

pharma, and a current special government employee at Kennedy's side.

0:59.9

Means has done a lot of thinking, and if you're on the Joe Rogan circuit, a lot of talking,

1:04.7

too, about how the Trump administration can confront exploding chronic disease in America.

1:10.3

One part of that plan is to take on some of the nation's most powerful industries.

1:14.8

The food, pharmaceutical, and health care companies he thinks are keeping Americans sick.

1:19.6

The problem isn't the Medicare Medicaid policy.

1:21.6

I'm not talking about that.

1:22.6

I'm talking about what's the logic that oversees Medicare and Medicaid.

1:26.2

What's the clinical logic?

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