What if we told you some of the most important moments during the closings of Corey Richens' trial happened off camera, that they never made it on camera?

The verdict may be in, but what really mattered might have happened in the glances, the posture, the tension that you couldn't see or feel inside that courtroom.

And today we've got someone who was there and saw and felt it all.

Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist, Joel

Walton. What's up, SDS Nation? Welcome to Survive and Survivor. This is the global phenomenon with more

than 50 countries represented. And in the afternoon hours, maybe we get 55 or 60 or 65 because of the time

difference. So welcome to everybody. today, something a little bit different.

We're going to go inside that courtroom from yesterday where closing arguments happened in the case of Utah, the state of Utah versus Corey Richens.

Not to talk about what we saw in the feeds, not the clips that you all saw,

but what actually happened inside the courtroom detention and joining us here to break it all down

is Gigi, G Money, McKelvie, the stellar host of pretty lies and alibis.

And she was there.

She had a seat inside the courtroom for closings and saw a lot of the things that the

camera couldn't bring us.

So G Money, I know you weren't there for the whole trial, but you definitely were there

for closings and you had a press pass.

What was a deal?

How come the public wasn't allowed in?

And I know you got in via

press lay the scene for us. What was it like? Well, after, let's see, I was there Friday for

jury instruction where they were just, you know, going through how they're going to tell the jury

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