Inside China’s Spy Game: How the MSS Targets the U.S. Military

Change Agents with Andy Stumpf

IRONCLAD

Society & Culture

4.8 • 607 Ratings

🗓️ 23 July 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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On today’s episode, Andy speaks with national security expert Nicholas Eftimiades about the recent arrest of two Chinese nationals charged with acting as unregistered agents of China’s Ministry of State Security. The pair allegedly targeted U.S. Navy personnel and gathered intelligence on military sites across multiple states. Drawing from decades of experience in the CIA, DIA, and State Department, Eftimiades explains how China’s intelligence operations function, why the U.S. military is a key focus, and what this case signals about the broader landscape of Chinese espionage efforts inside the United States. Change Agents is an IRONCLAD Original Sponsors: Firecracker Farm Use code IRONCLAD to get 15% off your first order at https://firecracker.farm/ AmmoSquared (don’t put it on Youtube, megaphone only) Visit https://ammosquared.com/ today for a special offer and keep yourself fully stocked. With over 100,000 members and thousands of 5-star ratings, Your readiness is their mission. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:01.6	Yeah, well, in the case of China, there was a large-scale national deception effort that they
1:06.7	moved along for decades, you know, influencing U.S. think tanks, influencing members of Congress, influencing the business community.
1:20.9	Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Change Agents, an Ironclad original presented by Firecracker Farm.
1:26.4	Today we're going to be talking about China's spy game and capabilities.
1:31.7	And my guest today is Nicholas F.T. Miades.
1:34.2	Nicholas is a renowned expert on intelligence espionage and national security with over 30 years
1:39.0	of service in the United States intelligence and defense communities.
1:42.3	He served in senior roles across the Central intelligence agency, the defense intelligence agency,
1:47.7	and the U.S. Department of State's Diplomatic Security Service, where he specialized in technical
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