This episode is brought to you by REI Co-op, which believes that life outside is essential.

Research demonstrates numerous physical and mental benefits to heading out your door.

Unfortunately, one in three Americans simply don't have outside spaces close to where

they live.

Challenges range from a lack of public transportation to a highway that cuts off a neighborhood

from a park to systemic issues.

It's a problem that affects the entire country, which is why REI is on a mission to get every

American outside in five minutes or less.

The movement is called outside in five, and it includes a combination of support for

local community-led organizations and a national campaign to pass the outdoors for all act.

Whether it's re-greening city blocks, creating safe bike lanes, or simply making our outdoor

spaces more equitable, together we can make getting to the park, a walk in the park.

Learn more and take action at REI.com-forward-slash-outside-in-five.

From outside magazine, this is the outside podcast.

Now, here is a bit of strange insider information on the workings of outside magazine.

Our last editor-in-chief, Chris Kais, who was at the top of the mast head from 2016 until

last fall, developed in his later years a quirk.

He was unwilling to assign almost any stories that took place underwater.

No features on shipwrecks, not interested in scuba diving adventures, and if I'm remembering

things right, absolutely no submarine stories.

I'm Michael Roberts, and I'm comfortable saying that for me and the other editors who worked

with Chris, his quirk was annoying.

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