Hey, work lifers, it's Adam Grant.

This is taken for granted, my podcast with the TED Audio Collective.

I'm an organizational psychologist,

and this series is about rethinking assumptions

that we often take for granted about how we work, lead, and live.

This is my second conversation with CEO extraordinaire Indra Nui,

who led a remarkable transformation of PepsiCo.

We recently sat down on stage for a live conversation in the Authors at Wharton series that I host.

Along with dispensing her trademark stage advice, she was a riot.

So buckle up.

Indra, welcome to Wharton.

Great to be here, Adam.

Thank you for having me.

So excited to have you here.

I've admired your leadership since the day I started studying leadership.

So it's going to be a real treat to get to soak up some of your wisdom.

And I've been reading your books and soaking up your wisdom all my time.

So this is a two-person backstlapping society.

As a social scientist, it has bothered me for a very long time that in blind taste tests,

Pepsi is clearly superior to Coke.

And yet, people still have more affinity with the Coke brand in certain ways.

And one of the things I learned from your book is that you don't care.

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