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Yo, technology. What is it all about? When you start talking about very large time scales not 50 years not

a hundred years not a hundred thousand years how do we preserve all this knowledge turns out

life has already figured out a way a long time ago how to preserve information and pass it

perfectly from generation to generations called DNA.

Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley, your weekly dispatch from deep inside the Silicon Valley Future Machine.

Thank you, as always, for tuning in and downloading or whatever it is you're doing to access this podcast.

I am your host, Danny Fortson, the Sunday Times West Coast correspondent out here on the mean streets of San Francisco and Oakland or wherever it may be, tracking down interesting

folks and getting them to sit down in front of a mic for you. And this week we have a super

interesting show. So several months back, I sat down with Arvin Gupta, who is the founder of Indy Bio,

which is a really unique place.

It's a biotech accelerator.

So at any one time, he has around 15 startups under one roof.

But the interesting bit is that they all share this one big professional grade lab where they can basically try to prove all these crazy ideas that

they're working on without the added expense of building their own lab, which of course would

set them back many hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars. The model has produced some

actually quite impressive results. So you may recall from last season, the company called

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