Hey everybody, welcome to the show. Very excited that you hear it because my guest is one of my favorite musicians of all time. You've probably heard of her if you are in sort of the DIY indie music circle because she led the path, one of the first independent artists that I knew

that had scaled and that used the internet in a way back in 2005, six, seven, eight, nine,

unlike any other musician I had seen before. Of course, this is all mainstream now, but

she braved it. She led the path. My guest is a cellist. She's a performer. She's a composer,

an amazing advocate for artists' rights, and in the healthcare world. And we'll discuss a little bit

about why in just a second. But my guest is the one and only Zoe Keating. All right,

this is also one of those full circle episodes because I think it was almost eight years ago.

She was a very, very early guest on the show.

We did a live performance.

She played her cello and it brought people to tears, literally two tears in the room.

And it was, you know, tears of inspiration and joy.

Such powerful music.

And that was in 2012 when she was on the show.

And now, this episode, we go back to the same, we sit in the same exact place where she

performed, however many years ago that was, and had an amazing conversation because

so much has happened

for her and for the world since then. Every once in a while, an artist comes along and

captures my heart, my mind, and I don't even know this person, and I'm just like, that is different,

that is special. And that was the case with Zoe. I heard her music first.

I don't know, a couple months before she was on the show originally, and I reached out cold

to her. You know, a lot of these, the people, the guests are on the show, are friends or friends

of friends or, you know, just they're in my circle already. This was one of the few times I've just sent this crazy

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