In 1838, Two U.S. Congressmen Dueled with… Rifles!
Our American Stories
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🗓️ 24 October 2025
⏱️ 10 minutes
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Summary
On this episode of Our American Stories, in the winter of 1838, a political argument in Congress crossed a line few thought possible. Maine Representative Jonathan Cilley and Kentucky’s William Graves met on a field just outside Washington, rifles in hand. The nation watched in disbelief as two elected officials prepared to settle a dispute the old-fashioned way. When the smoke cleared, one man was dead—and House Resolution 8 soon followed, banning duels between lawmakers. Our regular contributor and firearms historian, Ashley Hlebinsky, revisits this little-known chapter in American history.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:14.0 | This is Lee Habib, and this is our American Stories. |
| 0:19.0 | House Resolution 8 was introduced on March 5th, 1838. The bill was drafted |
| 0:25.4 | following a duel between U.S. congressmen. Here to tell the story is Ashley Lubinsky. Ashley is the |
| 0:32.4 | former co-host of Discovery Channel's Master of Arms, and she's also the co-founder of the University of Wyoming College of Laws |
| 0:39.8 | Firearms Research Center. |
| 0:42.1 | Here's Ashley. |
| 0:47.1 | When you think about duels, you usually think of two men that have a bone to pick with each other. |
| 0:53.0 | And I think the most well-known duel is the one |
| 0:55.7 | between Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burt. But what I don't think a lot of people realize |
| 1:00.8 | is that dueling, which has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years, is often an illegal |
| 1:06.6 | practice. I think sometimes we think when you romanticize the past that these duels that occurred |
| 1:12.1 | were things that were allowed or sanctioned. Maybe they were looked down upon, but they weren't |
| 1:16.0 | illegal. And in that duel between Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr, Burr was actually indicted |
| 1:21.6 | for killing Hamilton, but a political favor made sure that the charges were dropped, but he was |
| 1:26.7 | indicted for murder. |
| 1:28.8 | The other thing that comes to mind when you think about duels are pistols. |
| 1:33.5 | And pistols for a long time were the weapon of choice for dueling, although prior to the invention of guns, |
| 1:40.5 | swords were used about as much. |
| 1:47.0 | Yeah! guns, swords were used about as much. But in 1838, two congressmen made the peculiar decision to use rifles, and the rest is relatively embarrassing history. |
| 1:59.0 | The code duelo was the kind of set of rules, was the practice of dueling and honor that |
| 2:05.1 | was created in the 1770s that was overseas. |
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