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Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History magazine, Britain's best-selling

History magazine. I'm Ellie Corthorn. Today's podcast guest is Professor Sugits of a Sundaram,

who I spoke to about his book Waves Across the South, a new history of revolution and empire.

The book offers a new perspective on the expansion of the British Empire across the Indian

and Pacific Oceans, arguing that we need to place more emphasis on oceanic communities when

thinking about empire and putting indigenous voices front and centre. Your new book offers a new

perspective on the expansion of British imperialism across the Indian and Pacific Oceans.

To start us off, how has this subject traditionally been written about and why do you think

and how do you think that needs correcting? Traditionally, the history of the British Empire

is written as a galloping kind of story, especially for a public audience.

And it's the story of how the British Empire expands across the globe as perceived and seen

from London, the nerve centre of the British Empire. Traditionally, the later 19th century

and the early 20th century figures very heavily in such accounts of the British Empire,

the so-called period of high imperialism or new imperialism, even which witnessed the partition

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