Hi, it's Mike. It's Saturday. It's the Saturday show where we bring you one from the vault and one

from the week and the one from the week. I did a couple of, well, one was a spiel, one was to talk about it at the

top of the show and the it is immigration. Because I do think, and this was spurred on by my thoughts on

a CNN report, which I turned

into a Pesca profundities posting, and please do follow me on substack.

You get the GIST list, you get that.

You get the Pesca profundities, which are my written pieces.

Because I do think that immigration is a tough issue.

We're not being totally fair.

And we reach for the phrases like racist, which is a tough issue. We're not being totally fair. And we reach for the phrases

like racist, which is an apt phrase in many cases, or unconstitutional. And when I taped my comments,

an example of the unconstitutional was alligator Alcatraz. And now that I bring the Saturday

show to you that has been ruled by courts

to be allowable or as we can broadly say constitutional. So I was talking about a CNN report

that sympathized with an immigrant who is sympathetic in many ways, but not in the ways that Americans have articulated

that they want their immigration policy to go. And that includes the desire that only

criminals be deported. That includes the desire that things be done with due process. It's not an easy issue. I do think our media tries to treat it as a lot

easier or simpler than it is. Now, in these comments, I also referenced a David Leonhardt quote.

And so why not just play the whole interview I did with Leonhardt from a couple of years ago when

his book was out. It was actually a two-part interview originally. We'll play half of it. That

was mostly about immigration. And Frum and Leonhardt are two guys, I quote all the time,

two very pithy statements, both about Democrats and immigration and the perception of their policies and their actual policies.

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