II.I. The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel (Mueller Report)
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🗓️ 4 May 2019
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Summary
Part 9 of 12 from Section II. Factual Results of the Obstruction Investigation. This subsection of Volume 2, pages 113-120, analyzes the President's efforts to have McGahn deny that he had been ordered to have the Special Counsel removed.
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The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel (0:37)
- The Press Reports that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel (1:46)
- The President Seeks to Have McGahn Dispute the Press Reports (3:09)
Analysis (8:50)
- Obstructive act (9:01)
- Nexus to a proceeding (12:48)
- Intent (14:54)
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| 0:52.1 | Section 2I. |
| 0:53.7 | The president orders McGahn to deny that the president tried to fire the special counsel. |
| 0:59.3 | Overview |
| 0:59.8 | In late January 2018, the media reported that in June 2017, the president had ordered |
| 1:06.9 | McGahn to have the special counsel fired based on purported conflicts of interest, |
| 1:11.4 | but McGahn had refused, saying he would quit instead. After the story broke, the president, |
| 1:17.2 | through his personal counsel and two aides, sought to have McGahn deny that he had been directed |
| 1:21.8 | to remove the special counsel. Each time he was approached, McGahn responded that he would not |
| 1:26.9 | refute the press accounts because they were accurate in reporting on the president's effort to have the special counsel removed. |
| 1:32.3 | The president later personally met with McGahn in the Oval Office, with only the chief of staff present, and tried to get McGahn to say that the president never ordered him to fire the special counsel. |
| 1:42.3 | McGahn refused and insisted his memory of the president's direction to remove the special counsel. McGahn refused and insisted his memory of the |
| 1:45.4 | president's direction to remove the special counsel was accurate. In that same meeting, |
| 1:50.0 | the president challenged McGahn for taking notes of his discussions with the president and asked |
| 1:54.3 | why he had told special counsel investigators that he had been directed to have the special counsel |
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