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The Ezra Klein Show

If You’re Reading This, You’re Probably ‘WEIRD’

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 26 May 2023

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Here’s a little experiment. Take a second to think about how you would fill in the blank in this sentence: “I am _____.” If you’re anything like me, the first descriptors that come to mind are personal attributes (like “curious” or “kind”) or identities (like “a journalist” or “a runner”). And if you answered that way, then I have some news for you: You are weird. I mean that in a very specific way. In social science, WEIRD is an acronym that stands for Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich and Democratic. Most societies in the world today — and throughout human history — don’t fit that description. And when people from non-WEIRD cultures answer the “I am” statement, they tend to give very different answers, defining themselves with relation-based descriptors like “Moe’s father” or “David’s brother.” That difference is only the tip of the iceberg. Much of what we take for granted as basic elements of human psychology and ethics are actually a peculiar WEIRD way of viewing the world. Joseph Henrich, an anthropologist at Harvard University, believes that this distinction between WEIRD and non-WEIRD psychologies is absolutely central to understanding our modern world. His 2020 book, “The WEIRDest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous,” explores the origins of these differences and argues that the emergence of a distinctly WEIRD psychology was central to the development of everything from the Industrial Revolution and market economies to representative government and human rights. We discuss Henrich’s theory of how “cultural evolution” leads to psychological — even genetic — changes in humans, the difference between societies that experience “shame” as a dominant emotion as opposed to “guilt,” the unique power of religion in driving cultural change, how cultural inventions like reading have literally reshaped human biology, why religious communes tend to outlast secular ones, why Henrich believes there is no static “human nature” aside from our cultural learning abilities, how differences in moral psychology across the United States can predict Donald Trump’s 2016 and 2020 vote share, why higher levels of immigration tend to lead to far more innovation and more. Book recommendations: Why Europe? by Michael Mitterauer Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond The Chosen Few by Maristella Botticini and Zvi Eckstein Listen to this podcast in New York Times Audio, our new iOS app for news subscribers. Download now at nytimes.com/audioapp Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Roge Karma. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Sonia Herrero. Our production team is Emefa Agawu, Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Kristina Samulewski.

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0:00.0

So here's the thing, if you're listening to this podcast, you're pretty weird.

0:28.2

You're probably very weird. And not just for all the obvious reasons you're thinking of.

0:34.2

In social science, really certain corners of it, weird is now an acronym.

0:38.9

Stands for a certain kind of person, Western, educated, industrialized, rich, and democratic.

0:46.0

And weird people who've been the people we've been surveying and studying for a lot of research

0:50.8

on psychology, they actually turn out to be different. Much more so than they than we

0:56.2

often realize or admit. There are all these things we take for granted as basic elements

1:01.4

of human psychology and ethics, it actually peculiar to the weird psychology. We take

1:06.2

them for granted because we feel them, we take them for granted because we study ourselves

1:10.1

and then use that to extrapolate to human nature. But we shouldn't. The idea that we have

1:15.5

a stable self that exists across all contexts that a person's intentions should be central

1:21.0

to any evaluation of their actions. The guilt is a widely felt emotion that self-esteem

1:26.4

is crucial for happiness. We treat all these as truisms, but they're not.

1:32.6

At least that's the argument made by Joseph Henrich. Henrich is an anthropologist at Harvard

1:36.7

who's done really deep, rich, cross-cultural research and how different forms of human

1:41.0

culture shape our psychologies. And into what those psychologies actually are. His 2015 book,

1:46.0

The Seek of Our Success, argued that what sets human beings apart from other species

1:50.2

is our capacity for cultural learning. His 2020 book, The Weirdest People in the World,

1:55.6

takes out argument and extends it, arguing that beginning sometime in the Middle Ages,

1:59.7

certain cultural and religious shifts radically transformed the psychologies of individuals

2:04.8

living in Europe. And that then the emergence of this weird psychology was a prerequisite

2:10.5

to everything from the development of market economies to representative government to human

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