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Radio Atlantic

If We Could Learn From History

Radio Atlantic

The Atlantic

Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.41.9K Ratings

🗓️ 9 March 2018

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Discarding the limits on a leader's time in office is a classic autocrat's move. So when Xi Jinping began to clear a path for an indefinite term as China's president, he dimmed many once-bright hopes that he would speed the nation's path toward a new era of openness and reform. For James Fallows,The Atlantic's national correspondent, it was a sad vindication of a warning he issued two years ago in the magazine, of “China’s Great Leap Backward.” As the 15th anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq approaches, we review the developments in China, and look back at another warning that proved prescient: Fallows's National Magazine Award-winning essay, "The Fifty-First State?" Fallows joins our hosts, Alex Wagner and Matt Thompson, along with The Atlantic's global editor Kathy Gilsinan. Links - “China’s Great Leap Backward” (James Fallows, December 2016 Issue) - “Xi Jinping Reveals Himself As An Autocrat” (James Fallows and Caroline Kitchener, February 26, 2018) - “China Is Not a Garden-Variety Dictatorship” (David Frum, March 5, 2018) - “The Myth of a Kinder, Gentler Xi Jinping” (Isaac Stone Fish, February 27, 2018) - “China's Surveillance State Should Scare Everyone” (Anna Mitchell and Larry Diamond, February 2, 2018) - China's Trapped Transition (Minxin Pei, 2006) - “The Fifty-First State?” (James Fallows, November 2002 Issue) - “The Obama Doctrine” (Jeffrey Goldberg, April 2016 Issue) - Steve Coll on “The Atlantic Interview” (February 7, 2018) - A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East(David Fromkin, 1989) - On Grand Strategy (John Lewis Gaddis, 2018) - An American Tragedy (Theodore Dreiser, 1925) - “Babylon Berlin” on Netflix - “Christopher Steele, the Man Behind the Trump Dossier” (Jane Mayer, The New Yorker, March 12, 2018) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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At the crossroads of artistic insight and intellectual curiosity, we find the edge of reason.

0:07.0

Dive into the heart of artistic inspiration, rooted in Enlightenment thinking, and discover how contemporary creators are holding a mirror up to society to reflect who we are, where we've been, and where we're headed.

0:20.0

Join me, Jeff Chang, at the Edge of Reason, a new limited podcast from Atlantic

0:25.6

Reth, the branded content studio at the Atlantic and Howzer and Worth.

0:29.6

The other day China's president Shee Ping, pulled a classic authoritarian move,

0:34.4

abolished term limits, leaving open the possibility he could be president for life.

0:38.7

This was a rude awakening for a lot of folks who thought China was on an inevitable march towards liberalization and reform.

0:45.6

It wasn't a surprise for James Fallows.

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Neither was the chaos that would emerge from the U.S. invasion of Iraq still churning

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after 15 years.

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Who will be vindicated by today's surprises?

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And what do they expect to happen next?

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This is Radio Atlantic.

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Over in New York is my colleague and co-host, the esteemed Alex Wagner.

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Alex, how are you doing?

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I am very well my esteemed colleague in Washington, D.C. Matt Thompson. it's great to hear a voice and

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likewise with me in DC in the studio I am delighted to say are our colleagues

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Jim Fallows James James Fallows, the Atlantic's legendary staff writer who returns to us on Radio

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Atlantic and Kathy Gilsonen, the Atlantic's legendaryendary Global editor

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who returns to us on Radio Atlantic.

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Jim, Kathy, welcome.

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Thank you so much.

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