IDAHO 4 MURDERS DETAILS: IF WORLD HAD KNOWN, NO KOHBERGER PLEA DEAL
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
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🗓️ 1 August 2025
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
The death penalty criminal trial was approaching for the man accused of killing four Idaho college students in the middle of the night, Ethan Chapin (20), Kaylee Goncalves (21), Xana Kernodle (20), and Madison Mogen (21), when the state offered Bryan Kohberger a plea deal in exchange for the death penalty.
The plea left some family members of the Idaho college murder victims divided. Under the plea agreement, 30-year-old Kohberger agrees to plead guilty to all counts against him in the November 2022 fatal stabbings, and the death penalty would be removed.
After the agreement is reached, the injuries of the victims are made known because the gag order is lifted, and the extent of their injuries left some family and members of the public outraged at the brutality of the crime.
Allegedly, some family and friends now say if they had known the viciousness of the attacks, they would not have agreed with the state on giving him a plea.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Greg Morse - Criminal Defense Attorney of Morse Legal, Author of “The Untested” found on Amazon; website: morselegal.com
- Dr. John Delatorre - Licensed Psychologist and Mediator (specializing in forensic psychology); Psychological Consultant to Project Absentis: a nonprofit organization that searches for missing persons; X, IG, and TikTok - @drjohndelatorre
- Chris McDonough - Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, Worked over 300 Homicides in 25 year career, Trained the first Native American Homicide Task Force; & Host of YouTube channel, "The Interview Room"
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author of "Blood Beneath My Feet," and Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" X @JoScottForensicith Joseph Scott Morgan;" X:@JoScottForensicc
- Susan Hendricks - (Outside Ada County Courthouse) Journalist, Author: “Down the Hill: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi;" IG @susan_hendricks X @SusanHendicks
- Dave Mack - Crime Stories Investigative Reporter
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:04.8 | Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. |
| 0:10.7 | The Idaho 4 murder details. |
| 0:15.2 | If the world had known what we know now, there would never have been a Brian Koeberger plea deal. |
| 0:23.9 | This would have gone to the death penalty. |
| 0:27.3 | I'm Nancy Grace. |
| 0:28.2 | This is Crime Stories. |
| 0:29.3 | I want to thank you for being with us. |
| 0:43.7 | Some of these might be familiar, so sit up straight when I talked to you. |
| 0:47.1 | How was your life right before you murdered my sisters? |
| 0:50.3 | Did you prepare for the crime before leaving your apartment? |
| 0:53.9 | Please detail what you were thinking and feeling at this time. Why did you choose my |
| 0:55.4 | sisters? Before leaving their home, is there anything else you did? How does it feel to know the |
| 1:00.9 | only thing you failed more miserably at than being a murderer is trying to be a rapper? |
| 1:08.0 | Details only now being revealed to the public. If the world had known the horrific |
| 1:16.1 | injuries and more details, there would never have been a plea deal. The public would have rioted |
| 1:25.4 | at the courthouse steps. We are learning that one of these beautiful coeds stabbed 30 times, another even more. |
| 1:37.3 | Kelly Gonzalez's face stashed so many times she is disfigured and beyond identification. It goes on and on. Why was all of this |
| 1:50.3 | kept secret? So everyone would accept the plea deal and think it was for the best? Thank you for |
| 1:57.5 | being with us with me an all-star panel. But first, straight out to Joe Scott Morgan, |
| 2:02.4 | Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, star of a hit podcast Bodybacks with Joe Scott |
| 2:08.4 | Morgan and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott, I can hardly take it in what we are |
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