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ICYMI: Pete Hegseth Allegedly Texted Battle Plans In A Second Signal Chat

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πŸ—“οΈ 22 April 2025

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Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth used a signal chat to communicate military battle plans, again, according to reporting from The New York Times.

This second line of communication was opened back in March, around the same time as the infamous first chat, which had accidentally included a journalist. This latest – which Hegseth accessed via his personal phone – included his wife and brother. The Pentagon denies these latest reports.

Yesterday, NPR also reported that the White House is looking to replace Hegseth. White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt denied the reporting and said President Trump stands behind him.

We discuss the latest and what this says about the state of the Pentagon and its leadership.

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0:00.0

These days, there is a lot of news. It can be hard to keep up with what it means for you, your family, and your community. Consider this from NPR is a podcast that helps you make sense of the news. Six days a week, we bring you a deep dive on a story and provide the context, backstory, and analysis you need to understand our rapidly changing world. Listen to the Consider

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this podcast from NPR.

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You're listening to the 1A podcast. I'm Jen White. And this is, in case you missed it,

0:36.2

where we bring you some of the week's most

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important conversations you might have missed. Secretary of Defense Pete Heckseth used a second

0:43.0

signal chat to communicate attack plans. That's according to reporting for the New York Times Sunday.

0:48.7

This second chat using the unsecured signal app apparently came around the time of the first

0:53.5

chat back in March,

0:54.8

which accidentally included a journalist. This latest, which Hexeth accessed via his personal phone,

1:00.4

included his wife and brother. Here's what Hexeth told reporters when asked about the chat

1:04.9

at the White House's Easter egg roll on Sunday. See, this is what the media does. They take

1:10.6

anonymous sources from disgruntled former employees,

1:14.4

and then they try to slash and burn people and ruin their reputations.

1:18.2

Not going to work with me.

1:19.9

Hexeth also told Fox News this morning that any messages sent over signal were, quote,

1:24.7

informal, unclassified coordinations, end quote.

1:28.3

Yesterday, NPR reported that the White House is looking to replace Hex-F as the Secretary

1:32.4

of Defense. On Monday, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt denied the reporting and

1:37.5

says President Trump stands behind Hex-F. The president stands strongly behind Secretary Hegsef,

1:42.5

who is doing a phenomenal job leading the Pentagon.

1:45.6

And this is what happens when the entire Pentagon is working against you

1:49.7

and working against the monumental change that you are trying to implement.

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