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The Internet Book of Critical Care Podcast

IBCC Episode 100 - Wernicke encephalopathy

The Internet Book of Critical Care Podcast

Adam Thomas

Foam, Medicine, Health & Fitness, Science, Criticalcare, Medicaleducation

5714 Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2020

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

We've reached a milestone, 100 episodes! In this podcast, we cover ICU level thiamine deficiency, not just your white-whale of Wernicke encephalopathy. Come take a listen for dosing, clinical features and complications.

Transcript

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0:00.0

All right, so welcome back to the Internet Book of Critical Care podcast. I'm here with Adam

0:09.3

Thomas and we're going to talk about Warnakey encephalopathy. Josh, we were talking offline, but I think

0:14.2

we both agree that we cover up front for this like the shotgun approach and then we get lucky

0:19.1

probably most of the time. So I think it's really interesting to make us sit down and really think at length about what this is

0:25.5

and what are the implications for our patients. So we'll cover the clinical diagnosis, the workup and

0:30.2

treatment and all the things in between there. So let's go back to it because Josh, you are the

0:35.0

thiamine aluminy, shall we say?

0:39.1

Thymin goes around a lot.

0:41.1

And I'm all about this.

0:43.3

So we've talked about this in other posts.

0:48.6

Let's really come into perivate, lactate, and if that screws up, the citric acid cycle.

0:51.4

So what is the biochemistry here and why is it important?

0:52.4

It's pretty complicated. And we're not going to drag you through all of the ins and outs of the biochemistry, but thiamen is a co-factor for a lot of enzymes involved

0:58.1

in intermediary metabolism. So if you run out of thiamine, your tricyclic acid cycle basically

1:02.6

stops working. You accumulate a lactic. You can develop a lactic acidosis or hyperlactatemia if you

1:08.4

prefer that terminology. When in the brain, things like clutamate can accumulate and they can cause neurotoxicity.

1:13.1

So let's move on to the pharmacology of thymine in itself.

1:16.2

So if I have a normal diet versus a non-normal diet, how does this get into my body?

1:21.1

Yeah.

1:21.3

So generally, it's consumed through the gastrointestinal tract.

1:24.1

And absorption of thiamine is a little bit complicated.

1:26.6

There's probably an active and also

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