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O.G. from dot o'r g Hello this road. Hello, this is Russell Moore. You're listening to the Russell Moore show brought to

you by the Public Theology Project at Christianity Today and every week we explore conversations and questions from a Christian perspective

and I've been really looking forward to today's conversation.

We are talking to Ian Kron who is a therapist. He's an Episcopal priest. He's an author and he has a new book out called The Story of You, an iniogram journey to becoming your true self and Ian thanks for being here on

the show. Russell nothing is more fun than being on a podcast with a friend.

Yeah well I think we're having a good time.

I have to tell you, sometimes I cringe

when I think about the first time that ever met you.

Because we were over at a mutual friend's house, Andrew Peterson's house,

and you know everybody was just this is Ian, this is so and so. And it's, it's, I really wasn't, as I often do, I wasn't putting names of people that I meet with people that I have read and you mentioned something

that I had written or said somewhere about the Enigram and then I stood there talking about the

inigram for several minutes to you and you sort of nodded your head and then we

went on talking about other things later and then it wasn't until later, Ian, Ian.

Ian. Oh, that was Ian Kron. I told my wife, I said, I feel like I was sitting there explaining to Johnny Cash what a guitar is or something like that.

So I still will think about that all of the time. One of the things that I wanted to talk to you about today that really is around this book.

This is the, I think the second book right that you written on the

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