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Witness History

'I wrote Schindler's List'

Witness History

BBC

History, Personal Journals, Society & Culture

4.41.6K Ratings

🗓️ 16 January 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

In 1980, Australian author Thomas Keneally stumbled across the story of Oskar Schindler while buying a briefcase in Beverly Hills, in the USA.

The owner of the shop, a Polish Jew called Leopold Pfefferberg, told Thomas that a Nazi party member had saved him, his wife and many others from the Holocaust, by employing them in his enamel factory.

Thomas tells Rachel Naylor why Oskar was such a compelling subject, full of contradictions, and why he believes his book has lasting appeal.

Eye-witness accounts brought to life by archive. Witness History is for those fascinated by the past. We take you to the events that have shaped our world through the eyes of the people who were there. For nine minutes every day, we take you back in time and all over the world, to examine wars, coups, scientific discoveries, cultural moments and much more.

Recent episodes explore everything from football in Brazil, the history of the ‘Indian Titanic’ and the invention of air fryers, to Public Enemy’s Fight The Power, subway art and the political crisis in Georgia. We look at the lives of some of the most famous leaders, artists, scientists and personalities in history, including: visionary architect Antoni Gaudi and the design of the Sagrada Familia; Michael Jordan and his bespoke Nike trainers; Princess Diana at the Taj Mahal; and Görel Hanser, manager of legendary Swedish pop band Abba on the influence they’ve had on the music industry. You can learn all about fascinating and surprising stories, such as the time an Iraqi journalist hurled his shoes at the President of the United States in protest of America’s occupation of Iraq; the creation of the Hollywood commercial that changed advertising forever; and the ascent of the first Aboriginal MP.

(Photo: Thomas Keneally at his home in Bilgola Beach, Australia, in 1981. Credit: Martin James Brannan/Fairfax Media via Getty Images)

Transcript

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0:00.0

Before you listen to this BBC podcast, I'd like to quickly tell you about some others.

0:05.1

My name's Andy Martin and I'm the editor of a team of podcast producers at the BBC in Northern Ireland.

0:11.3

It's a job I really love because we get to tell the stories that really matter to people here,

0:16.2

but which also resonate and apply to listeners around the world.

0:19.6

And because the team is such a diverse range of skills and strengths,

0:23.0

we have trained journalists, people who love digging through archives,

0:26.6

we've got drama and even comedy experts.

0:28.9

We really can do those stories justice.

0:31.5

So if you like this podcast, head to BBC Sounds

0:34.2

where you'll find plenty more fascinating stories from all around the UK.

0:43.5

Hello and welcome to the Witness History podcast from the BBC World Service with me, Rachel

0:48.3

Naylor. I'm taking you back to when an Australian author stumbled upon the tale of a Nazi party

0:53.3

member who saved more than 1,000 Jews from the Holocaust.

0:57.5

This is the story behind Schindler's list.

1:00.7

It's October 1980 and we're in Beverly Hills in the United States.

1:04.8

Sydney-born novelist Thomas Caneli's briefcase has broken

1:07.5

and he's browsing replacements outside the handbag studio,

1:10.7

a shop with

1:11.2

a chatty owner. A man came out and addressed me on the grounds that he said I was

1:18.4

terrified of him for some reason because I wouldn't go in his air-conditioned shop. This man was, in fact,

1:30.4

a man named Leopold Fefferberg.

1:35.8

Leopold, a Polish Jew, recognizes Thomas as a writer and tells him he has a story for him.

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