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Young Heretics

I Will Go Down with This Ship

Young Heretics

Spencer Klavan

Society & Culture, Education

4.94.5K Ratings

🗓️ 10 June 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

There are some indelible scenes inscribed forever into the psyche of the West, and the death of Dido is one of them. When William Congreve wrote that "Heav'n has no Rage, like Love to Hatred turn'd, Nor Hell a Fury, like a Woman scorn'd," he surely had in mind this archetype of all scorned women, the tragic heroine who stands in for every abandoned lover and for an entire civilization. Aeneas--and Rome--must leave her ruthlessly in the dust. But no one knows how to guilt trip you like your ex, and no one knows how to remonstrate with Rome like Carthage. All the same, in the end...destiny awaits.

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0:00.0

There are certain moments in Western art that just stand on their own.

0:06.0

They need no explanation, no analysis.

0:09.0

No explanation can do them justice because they are so powerful, so iconic as representations of a particular feeling,

0:17.0

experience, they just capture something that sticks in the mind. You know, like that painting

0:22.2

by Caspar David Friedrich, the wanderer above a sea of fog. There's nothing quite like it.

0:27.5

The minute you see it, you recognize it, and it just speaks directly into the heart of a moment.

0:32.4

Or, you know, the balcony scene, Romeo and Juliet. The moment in Super Mario, where Toad tells you that the princess is in another castle, you know, these sorts of great triumphs, iconic triumphs of Western literature, we're coming up on one now.

0:47.1

And we've been working our way through the Aeneid, and we are finally at the end of book four, which means, my friends, with genuine sorrow and

0:57.5

melancholy, I never come up on this without getting hit in the fields. It is time for us to say

1:02.5

goodbye to Queen Dido of Carthage.

1:09.0

Well, we've been following this love story since book one of the poem from the opening.

1:18.3

It's been going on in the background even of books two and three, where Aeneas tells his story of war.

1:24.4

But it's all been leading up to this.

1:27.4

And the scene in which Anius and Dido finally confront

1:33.1

one another, and Aeneas has to turn away and move on toward Italy is just one of those

1:41.8

ineradicable moments. It's something that once you read it for the first time,

1:45.9

if you really are paying attention to it, if you've really connected with these characters up to

1:51.0

this moment, it never leaves you, it never goes away. It becomes a part of your soul. And there

1:56.2

are just countless reproductions, recreations of this moment in the Galleria Borghese in Rome,

2:04.6

which is one of my favorite museums in the entire world, there is a Dido room just devoted to this whole story and this tragedy.

2:12.6

There have been operas made about it. There have's art down throughout the years. And so to connect,

2:19.4

to really grasp everything that's going on here is obviously important for our series on the

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