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🗓️ 13 July 2024
⏱️ 40 minutes
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0:00.0 | This program contained subject matter that may be disturbing to some listeners. |
0:04.0 | Listen or discretion is advised. |
0:06.0 | And a man held a rocket-propelled grenade launcher to my head and his eyes were cold and fiery. Real people. I am in a Taliban prison deep in the |
0:18.4 | mountains of Pakistan and nobody can find me. |
0:24.0 | Who faced death? |
0:25.6 | He said, we can do to you here. |
0:29.8 | Whatever we want. |
0:32.2 | And lived to tell how. If you even think about escaping, I will come after you like |
0:37.5 | a dime. This 2008 in Pakistan. |
0:45.0 | Jerry is a journalist specializing in Afghanistan. |
0:51.0 | I had gone to Afghanistan as a young man before the Soviet Union even invaded |
0:56.7 | Afghanistan in the 1980s so I had an understanding and love of this of the country |
1:00.6 | and of the culture. Secondly I went as a young newspaper reporter |
1:04.8 | the New York Times in the early 1980s and I lived with various members of the |
1:11.2 | Mujah Hadin, Holy Warriors, our allies, fighting the Soviet Union, |
1:16.2 | the most important of whom was a man named Chalaladine Hakani. |
1:22.4 | Today, he is the leader of the most powerful, the most lethal, the most |
1:27.3 | violent, and the most effective anti-American insurgency or insurgent group, part of the Taliban, closely allied with Al Qaeda, 25 years ago, |
1:38.0 | he was our ally. |
1:40.4 | After 9-11, I was hired by CBS and I became their Afghan-Pakistan consultant and I found myself saying |
1:50.4 | I have to go back and see if I can find these men with whom I lived before. |
1:57.0 | I could perhaps find out what no one else could find out, what the CIA could not find out, what nobody else seemed to be able to even |
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