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Hello, and welcome back to big mood, little mood. I am your host, Daniel M. Lavery.

And with me in the studio this week is Jessica Nordell, a science journalist and the author of

the book The End of Bias of Beginning, a solutions journalism look at overcoming unconscious bias

and discrimination. Jessica, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me.

I am so happy to have you on the show. I'm so happy that this has worked out.

I am once again recording from the UK as I am still here with my wife Grace on her book tour.

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