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We have a double delight for you today.

Two of the podcast's best friends have both put out e-books recently, and we get them both on the theology nerd throwdown.

So we're going to begin with Julie Claussen, talking about the Hunger Games, and then later

Tripp and I will talk to Tony Jones about a better atonement.

So Julie, welcome back to the podcast.

Hey, thanks for having me.

You are on early in the series with Everyday Justice,

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