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I'm Rachel Feltman. Plenty of us only think about insects when we're trying to keep them out of our homes.

But the truth is that our fates and fortunes are totally intertwined with all sorts of bugs.

Here to tell us more is Barrett Klein, entomologist and animal behaviorist at the University of Wisconsin-Lacross.

Thanks so much for joining us today.

I am thrilled to be with you.

So how did you first get interested in insects?

Well, I grew up in a family of artists, so always was keen on aesthetics, and I grew up on the edge of

Detroit, Michigan, and since it's such an urban environment,

the organisms that were so diverse, abundant, and accessible were the insects, and the shapes,

colors, sizes, and ranges of behaviors really struck me, really inspired me. So at the age of five,

I had this nebulous epiphany, and I knew I wanted insects to be at the core of my existence.

I just didn't know how.

And tell me about the work you do today.

I do a mix of things. So I am an entomologist who studies social insect behavior and I'm especially interested in sleep biology.

So the mysteries of sleep and dreaming I combine with my interest in what it means to be a social organism.

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