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HUAC'S FIRST TARGET WAS THE FEDERAL THEATER: /8: The Playbook: A Story of Theater, Democracy, and the Making of a Culture War by James Shapiro (Author)

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John Batchelor

Society & Culture, Arts, News, Books

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 10 November 2024

⏱️ 13 minutes

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HUAC'S FIRST TARGET WAS THE FEDERAL THEATER:  /8:  The Playbook: A Story of Theater, Democracy, and the Making of a Culture War by  James Shapiro  (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Playbook-Theater-Democracy-Making-Culture-ebook/dp/B0CGTQFQ8H

From 1935 to 1939, the Federal Theatre Project staged over a thousand productions in 29 states that were seen by thirty million (or nearly one in four) Americans, two thirds of whom had never seen a play before. At its helm was an unassuming theater professor, Hallie Flanagan. It employed, at its peak, over twelve thousand struggling artists, some of whom, like Orson Welles and Arthur Miller, would soon be famous, but most of whom were just ordinary people eager to work again at their craft. It was the product of a moment when the arts, no less than industry and agriculture, were thought to be vital to the health of the republic, bringing Shakespeare to the public, alongside modern plays that confronted the pressing issues of the day—from slum housing and public health to racism and the rising threat of fascism.

The Playbook takes us through some of its most remarkable productions, including a groundbreaking Black production of Macbeth in Harlem and an adaptation of Sinclair Lewis’s anti-fascist novel It Can’t Happen Here that opened simultaneously in 18 cities, underscoring the Federal Theatre’s incredible range and vitality. But this once thriving Works Progress Administration relief program did not survive and has left little trace. For the Federal Theatre was the first New Deal project to be attacked and ended on the grounds that it promoted “un-American” activity, sowing the seeds not only for the McCarthyism of the 1950s but also for our own era of merciless polarization. It was targeted by the first House un-American Affairs Committee, and its demise was a turning point in American cultural life—for, as Shapiro brilliantly argues, “the health of democracy and theater, twin born in ancient Greece, have always been mutually dependent.”

A defining legacy of this culture war was how the strategies used to undermine and ultimately destroy the Federal Theatre were assembled by a charismatic and cunning congressman from East Texas, the now largely forgotten Martin Dies, who in doing so pioneered the right-wing political playbook now so prevalent that it seems eternal.

1940 HUAC

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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World with John Batchelor. Here's John Batchelor.

0:11.3

It is April 14, 1936. It is chilly enough to wear an overcoat. Gathering at the Lafayette

0:19.9

Theater at 131st,

0:21.6

132nd Corner 7th Avenue, Harlem,

0:24.6

is an excited crowd wearing fedores and some people are in fancy dress.

0:30.6

There was also a vehicle pulled up with a motion picture camera on top,

0:35.6

taking this as if it's the launch of an aircraft carrier.

0:39.2

They're mounted police present.

0:41.9

The crowd is excited and all looking at each other, looking at the opening of the doors.

0:47.9

This is the premiere of the Macbeth by William Shakespeare.

0:52.5

It says so on the marquee.

0:54.2

The Lafayette Theater has been here since 1913.

0:56.9

It's been the scene of many gatherings of excited theater voters, but nothing like this.

1:02.6

What is most striking to see the photographs today, they're everywhere, is that it's a black

1:08.6

and white crowd together, and this is 1936, and that in itself is an achievement.

1:14.1

I welcome the author of a book that explains that scene and so much more.

1:19.8

The Playbook, A Story of Theater, Democracy, and the Making of a Culture War by Professor James Shapiro.

1:27.9

He is the Larry Miller Professor of English

1:30.2

and Comparative Literature of Columbia University.

1:33.2

And he's going to take us into that moment

1:36.1

and then we'll roll back a little bit and where it starts.

1:39.6

And we'll roll forward a little bit

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