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Hello and welcome to speaking of psychology, a podcast produced by the American Psychological Association.

I'm your host, Audrey Hamilton.

In this episode, I talk with a psychologist about why women, particularly in the U.S., lag behind men in positions of power

when research shows, as a whole, women's leadership styles are more effective.

So I can be using the perfect leadership style, but unless they are willing to go along with me,

I'm not as effective.

And so we know also that women are undermined by people not according to this budget authority.

From politics to the classroom, the research consistently shows women face psychological barriers on their way to the top.

Yet, they are already overcoming many of these barriers.

But they can't do it alone.

Alice Egli is a social psychologist at Northwestern University, who has published widely on the psychology of gender.

Her book on gender and leadership called Through the Labyrinth, The Truth About How Women Become Leaders,

examines why women's paths to power remain difficult to traverse, despite a lack of evidence that female

leaders are less effective than their male counterparts. Welcome, Dr. Agley.

Thank you. I'm glad to be here. There's little doubt that women are underrepresented

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