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just you know is extraordinary how did trump win it's the you know one of the big questions

it's been asked as opposed to how did democrats lose which i and i think that this is the really

the correct question what have you you learned? Oh, Tom. Well, it's good to talk to you again.

I haven't learned enough, and I think that's what's driving me to keep, you know, looking back

through all of the work I've done, because I think, like, a lot of other people, we're sort of, you know, in this

whole zeitgeist of what really happened, you know, what really was that? And like you, I have a

real problem with saying that Kamala lost this. Sorry, I don't feel she did. I think she ran a

perfect campaign. So we have to sort of look back into how this happened,

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