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The NPR Politics Podcast

How Trump Has Reshaped The Federal Workforce

The NPR Politics Podcast

NPR

Politics, Daily News, News

4.524.9K Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

During his 2016 presidential campaign, Donald Trump promised to "drain the swamp." Now that he's in his second term, how have his efforts to shrink the federal workforce played out?

This podcast: White House correspondent Deepa Shivaram, labor and workplace correspondent Andrea Hsu, and senior political editor & correspondent Domenico Montanaro.

This podcast was produced by Bria Suggs, and edited by Casey Morell. Our executive producer is Muthoni Muturi.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

When Malcolm Gladwell presented NPR's ThruLine podcast with a Peabody Award, he praised it for its historical and moral clarity.

0:09.7

On ThruLine, we take you back in time to the origins of what's in the news, like presidential power, aging, and evangelicalism.

0:18.0

Time travel with us every week on the ThruLine podcast from NPR.

0:24.8

Hey there.

0:26.7

My name's Jack.

0:28.1

I'm sitting on a boat in Gainesville, Florida, on Lake Noonan, watching the sunset and reading a book.

0:36.9

There's probably by my count, 10 or so, gators in the water around me with their heads up

0:45.2

and the dragonflies are landing on them like it's no problem.

0:50.3

This podcast was recorded at.

0:52.2

12.38 p.m. on Thursday, May 29th, 2025. Things may have changed by the time you hear this, but I'll still be watching the sunset, and there'll probably be more gators. Enjoy.

1:08.5

That might be my favorite timestamp. I hope they've changed for the better.

1:12.8

I am.

1:13.8

Whatever Jack's vibes are, I want them.

1:16.0

That was immaculate.

1:16.9

I would be so anxious sitting on that boat.

1:19.9

For a kid from Queens, I have to tell you, like being surrounded by a bunch of gators in the swamp, feels like my worst nightmare.

1:26.2

I think they're kind of cute.

1:28.3

I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. But you're also talking to somebody who saw a possum and thought it was a rat.

1:33.8

All right. Domenico, we need to get you out into the wild. Hey there. It's the NPR Politics

1:38.3

Podcast. I'm Difa Shivaram. I cover the White House. And I'm Domenico Montanara, senior political editor and correspondent. And NPR's labor correspondent, Andrea, is here with us today. Hey, Andrea.

1:46.7

Hey. All right. So today on the show, we want to talk about President Trump's efforts to change the way the federal government works.

1:52.5

In just four months, the Trump administration has offered employees buyouts and early retirement, exerted control over some agencies that have long been considered independent

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