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This is Fresh Air. I'm Terry Gross.

Donald Trump's claims to being one of the wealthiest, most successful, and brilliant

businessmen was created with smoke and mirrors using his father's wealth, media created myths, created kept promises. The details are laid out in a new book by my guest Suzanne Craig

and Russ Butner, two New York Times reporters who have been investigating

Trump's business practices and finances, ever since he campaigned for the presidency in 2016.

One of their early clues came from several pages of Trump's tax documents that were leaked

to Suzanne Craig in a Manila envelope she found in her New York Times mailbox. Craig and Butner

won a Pulitzer Prize for their reporting. Now they've written a new book called

Lucky Loser, how Donald Trump squandered his father's fortune and created the illusion of success.

Suzanne Craig and Russ Butner, welcome to fresh air.

I want to start by saying that we're recording this on Monday and whatever we discuss about

Donald Trump's finances doesn't change the fact that the second attempted

assassination of Donald Trump and all the threats of violence surrounding

this election is deeply upsetting,

deeply disturbing.

I'm wondering if this is an awkward moment for you to be talking about the book.

Well, anytime there's a attempt on someone's life, it does have a way of making everything

else seem inconsequential, but we are still propelling ourselves towards a presidential election when the voters are going to have to decide

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