Hello and welcome to The Upgrade, the podcast from the team at LifeHacker, where we help you improve your life one week at a time.

I'm Jordan Calhoun, deputy editor of Lifehacker. Alice is out this

week, but we'll be joining us again soon, so fear not. And taking over today for her is our senior

video producer, Joel Kahn. How's it going, Joel? Hey, Jordan. So, Joel, today we're getting

into the science of perfect. Timing. Okay, so we were a little off there we weren't exactly in sync

but maybe after this interview we'll be a little bit better with timing okay so it turns out

that there's actually better times of day to do specific tasks than others and joining us today

to help us figure that all out is journalist and author Daniel Pink.

The premise in a lot of how we make decisions is that, you know, 2 o'clock, 9 o'clock, 1130,

it doesn't really matter. We just got to get stuff done. But our brainpower changes over the course of the day. It changes in material ways. And the best time to do something depends on what it is

you're doing. Daniel is the author of six books, including the New York Times bestsellers, A Whole New

Mind, Drive, and To Sell is Human.

His most recent book is called When, The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing,

and is a well-researched deep dive into circadian rhythms,

chronotypes, and all the things that factor into our peak performance hours.

Joel, are you familiar with the concept of chronotypes?

Yes, that's when plants take sunlight and turn it into food.

I think we might have this mixed up with something else.

That might be, what is that, photosynthesis?

Tomato tomato.

Close enough.

So, chronotypes, I think, are the type of person you are in relation to like a morning

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