Hi, you're about to get smarter in just a few minutes with Curiosity Daily from Discovery.

I'm Cody Gough.

And I'm Ashley Hamer.

Today you learn about how to talk to someone who denies a scientific reality like COVID-19 or climate change, with help from

author Lee McIntyre, and a scientific explanation of raining sulfur in the biblical city

of Sodom.

But satisfy some curiosity.

By now, many of us have found ourselves in

intense conversations with friends or family members

who deny some scientific reality,

whether that's to do with climate change, evolution, or the COVID-19 pandemic.

Those conversations can be frustrating, believe me, I know, and we don't always get them right.

But today's guest might be able to help. Lee McIntyre is a research fellow at the Center for Philosophy

and History of Science at Boston University

and the author of the new book How to Talk to a Science Denier, Conversations with Flat

Earthers, Climate Deniers, and others who defy reason.

And to start our conversation, Ashley asked for a basic clarification.

For the first question, I just wanted to lay out, are there really people out there who flat out deny science and

others who don't or do we all kind of have biases and blind spots in different

places? You raised a very good tricky point there because I've never met anybody who's a science

denier. They all identify as a skeptic or you know that they're more scientific than the scientists.

So the idea of science denier, it's not a good word to use when you're

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