How to Survive the Internet's Worst People with Drew Afualo

Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness

Sony Music

Science, Self-improvement, Comedy, Education, Society & Culture

4.9 • 21.5K Ratings

🗓️ 25 June 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Check out the JVN Patreon for exclusive BTS content, extra interviews, and much much more - check it out here: www.patreon.com/jvn This week on Getting Better, JVN sat down with internet sweetheart, icon, and author - the effervescent Drew Afualo. Talking all things clapping back to trolls, nuanced conversations on the internet, and why being woke isn’t a bad thing. Full Getting Better Video Episodes now available on YouTube. Not A Phase. Trans Lifeline Drew Afualo is on Instagram @drewafualo and on Tiktok @drewafualo Follow us on Instagram @gettingbetterwithjvn Jonathan on Instagram @jvn Senior Producer, Chris McClure Producer, Editor & Engineer is Nathanael McClure Production support from Julie Carrillo, Anne Currie, and Chad Hall Our theme music is also composed by Nathanael McClure. Curious about bringing your brand to life on the show? Email [email protected]. Take the online quiz and introduce Ollie to your pet. Visit https://www.ollie.com/better today for 60% off your first box of meals! #ToKnowThemIsToLoveThem Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hey Better Babes, I'm Jonathan Van Ness and welcome back to getting better.
0:05.0	Honey, today we're gonna learn how do we stand up for ourselves better with someone who I think is one of the most successful thought leaders, authors, like activists and also like standing up for themselves queen in the world.
0:18.0	Drew a Fowalow, how are you?
0:20.0	Oh my gosh, I'm so honored to be here. I can't remember
0:23.4	when the F or when FyP blessed me with you. Right. And like, but I remember the very first video of
0:29.2	yours I saw. I smashed the follow button. Was that like 20, 22 or three or something? Like, when
0:35.7	were you taking off? Yeah, I want to say 20, 22, going into
0:39.8	2023. So if someone, someone's been living under a rock, right? Like, can you give them, like,
0:45.1	a little tea on what you do, who you are? Yeah, of course. Basically, I went to college for
0:52.3	sports journalism initially.
0:56.2	I majored in journalism communications.
0:57.3	Emphasis in sports.
0:58.5	My dad used to play in the NFL.
1:01.5	So I just kind of figured, oh, like sports are in my bloodline.
1:03.0	I knew I wanted to be on camera.
1:04.7	I just thought sports was going to be the vehicle.
1:06.8	So that's what I studied in school.
1:09.4	And then when I graduated, it was obviously very hard to find a job.
1:12.4	And then eventually I took the first job I could get.
1:16.0	And then eventually I got a job at the NFL, which I thought was my dream job.
1:17.7	I was like, oh, my God, I've made it.
1:20.7	And turns out it was the worst job I've ever had.
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