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Last week on the show, I had a conversation about the long-term movement to challenge the authority of government agencies and push power back down to the people, a Jeffersonian view of democracy, if you were taking notes.

Today, we're bringing you a character study of a highly influential figure

in that movement. Someone who does not get as much attention as they probably deserve.

Unfortunately, I've got some help with this story. It's so good to be in the company of fellow

history nerds, first of all. Could you introduce yourselves? Would you like to

go first, Romte? No, you can go first. Meet the hosts of the excellent NPR history podcast

through line. Hi, I'm Rand Abdad Vatda. I'm Ramtin, Adablui. Rund and Ramtin have been making

history stories together for almost 10 years now.

So they've got a deep catalog.

And one of my favorites is the story of Ralph Nader.

Okay, so I guess my question is before the Ralph Nader story, what did you know about Ralph Nader?

Or what was your, like like ambient background knowledge on him?

I mean, for me, honestly, he was the guy who kept running for president and kept losing as a third party candidate.

Like that's the Ralph Nader that I knew.

Yep.

And I remember one of the first elections I really started paying attention to was the 2000 election, right?

And that was for sure. Where he was being accused of being a spoiler.

But I think in a lot of ways he occupied like a Bernie Sanders like place and had this kind of

uncompromising approach.

Like he was not trying to compromise with anyone politically, which was unique at

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