How to Stay Human with Suleika Jaouad

We Can Do Hard Things

Treat Media and Glennon Doyle

Society & Culture, Relationships, Education, Self-improvement

4.8 • 41.1K Ratings

🗓️ 12 June 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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419. How to Stay Human with Suleika Jaouad Artist and New York Times bestselling author, Suleika Jaouad, returns to discuss the importance of creative processes for staying human. -The surprising ways attachment theory shapes our creative expression and self-worth. -Challenges artists face when promoting their work—and how Glennon and Suleika resist the public pressures. -A simple yet powerful journaling practice to unlock self-connection and creative clarity. Suleika Jaouad is the author of the New York Times bestselling memoir Between Two Kingdoms. She wrote the Emmy Award-winning New York Times column and video series “Life, Interrupted,” and she is also the subject, along with husband Jon Batiste, of the Oscar-nominated documentary American Symphony. A visual artist, her large-scale watercolors are the focus of several upcoming exhibitions. She is also the creator of the Isolation Journals, a weekly newsletter and global community and her latest book, The Book of Alchemy: A Creative Practice for an Inspired Life, is available now. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi.
0:12.4	My friend.
0:14.4	I love seeing your face.
0:16.2	Oh, I love seeing yours.
0:19.0	Hi, Abby.
0:20.0	Hi, Suleka.
0:25.5	How are you? I'm great. I'm so happy to see you both.
0:38.0	Same. Glennon, are you wearing a blanket or a sweater? So, Suleka, I wear only sweaters like this. I need to be in a blanket all the time. So this is a huge cardigan feels like the best I can get to a socially acceptable portable
0:43.2	blanket.
0:44.6	I love it.
0:46.0	I had my blanket off camera because I was worried I looked like a shivering babushka over here,
0:51.6	but I'm just going to bring it back out because yes.
0:54.1	Yeah, I think we do what we must.
0:57.2	And I had a security blanket, my D, until I was in college, and then I brought it to
1:02.9	college with me, and then it got kidnapped and stolen and never returned to me.
1:07.1	Wait, hold on. You called it my D?
1:14.1	It was called my D. That's sweet. I don't know why. I have a lot of questions. Me too. Yeah, I don't know why. Blanky, maybe I couldn't say, I don't know why, but it was called my D. And it had a part on it that we called the piece. And the piece was the part where the silk kind of matched with the fabric and I would obsessively rub this certain place on the piece.
1:32.9	And so at one point, my sister and I shared our security blanket.
1:36.7	Wow.
1:37.3	Yes.
1:38.0	And then one time we were in a hotel room and I was in one bed and she was in the other.
1:42.8	We were fighting because the blanket was
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