Hi, welcome to the Passion and Purpose podcast with myself, your host, Louis Giglio.

I'm so glad that you're here for this episode, and I'm just telling you ahead of time,

this conversation is loaded.

Loaded with power, loaded with truth, loaded with incredible wisdom.

And all of that really is because of the two people

that I have the privilege of interviewing today.

A lot of you will know them.

Some of you, this may be the first time that you get to meet them.

But their life story is extraordinary.

They have been through such a valley, such challenge,

had so many moments in life where it didn't

look like they would make it.

But yet they have such a powerful story of the faithfulness of God.

I'm talking about my friends Jay and Catherine Wolfe.

You might know them on social media as Hope Heels, which was the title of

their first book.

And they are great friends.

They're part of our house at Passion City Church.

And they are collectively maybe the strongest voice for God on the planet right now.

And you'll see why that is as we get into the conversation together. We recorded

this conversation in the same little window when my book came out, don't give the enemy a seat

at your table. And so you'll hear that woven through a lot of our conversation. How do we win the

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