Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse Podcast. I am Brett Weinstein. I should say in this

case, I am Dr. Brett Weinstein and that will become relevant based on what our topic is.

Let me say a little bit about who I am and then I will introduce our two guests. So I

am a PhD in biology. My specialty is evolution. I have some background in immunobiology.

And I am going to be acting today in the role of professor sometimes, student other times,

traffic cop and translator. That's my plan in order to get this very complex story simple enough

that people can understand it because it is of the utmost importance. All right. Oh, one other

thing I should say is that there is also a final role for me, which is that when I was a graduate

student, I did some work on telomeres, senescence and cancer and accidentally unearthed a

flaw in our drug safety system that as far as I know still exists despite my effort to raise the

alarm about it. So anyway, this is not the first time I have encountered the drug safety issue and

it is a thorny and wicked problem as some might say. To my right, we have Robert Malone. Robert

Malone is an MD PhD. No, masters masters and MD. He is also and most significantly here, the inventor

of MRNA vaccine technology from back as a graduate student. Am I correct? Yeah, and I'm also a

licensed physician in Maryland, a licensed physician in Maryland. And to my left is Steve Kirsch,

who is a serial entrepreneur. And actually, you want to tell us about your role in COVID

treatment research? Sure. I started the COVID-19 early treatment fund and we fund scientists

throughout the world on looking at repurposed drugs for outpatient clinical trials. And because

using repurposed drugs is the fastest, safest and lowest cost way to end the pandemic.

All right, excellent. So I must say that this is a difficult topic for us to address. We all,

I believe, are agreed that something very serious as a foot and the public is largely unaware

that they have been placed into a kind of danger. And we also know that there's a great deal of

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