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The Good Fight

How to Save the Internet

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7 • 963 Ratings

🗓️ 20 March 2021

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Clay Shirky has always been an optimist, believing in the potential of the internet to bring humanity together. But recent trends – from the spread of fake news to the rise in online vitriol – seem to have thrown his vision of cooperation and trust into serious doubt. Does the promise of the internet which Shirky has spent so many years touting still hold true? In this week’s episode of The Good Fight, Yascha Mounk and Clay Shirky sit down to discuss if social media might be more of a curse than a blessing, whether or not to regulate the virtual public square, and how the internet has turned the world into a “global village.” Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: goodfightpod@gmail.com Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John T. Williams and Rebecca Rashid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Economist provides independent journalism for independent thinking and has been

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championing progress for almost 200 years.

0:08.3

With the Economist, you gain access to fact-based, deeply researched expert analysis of world events and topics

0:14.3

ranging from business and culture to politics, science and technology.

0:18.2

Tune into the global conversation with reporting from correspondence around the world,

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available in-app online through podcasts and print.

0:26.5

So for fact sake, search the economist. I do worry

0:39.1

worry that the use of censorship is only available to people in power.

0:45.0

And you always have to worry about what censorship will do to the people out of power,

0:51.0

which includes almost invariably in a two-party system you in the future.

0:55.2

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. Today I want to use this little spiel I always do at the beginning of a

1:08.4

podcast to argue for a very simple principle. When you think about politics you need to be

1:16.2

guided by your own values, by your own principles, not by what you might say or what you might care about fits into the current

1:31.3

narrative. I want to give two examples of this, one perhaps a little bit

1:37.2

more trivial and one rather more important. The first is that it is often the case that terms which people use are appropriated by bad actors.

1:50.0

But criticisms you might make are also echoed by people with whom you disagree.

1:58.0

And in the phrase of what Emily Joffi has quote in conversation with me 180ism, the tendency then is to take the opposite position.

2:09.6

So if Donald Trump goes on about how bad Antifa is, the temptation is to start saying that perhaps actually Antifa is all right.

2:18.9

And when people are using phrases like cancel culture in obvious bad faith.

2:25.0

When Fox News crows about it in inappropriate contexts all of the time,

2:29.0

or Andrew Cuomo says that for him to resign over serious allegations of sexual assault would be to give

2:35.3

into council culture. The temptation is to think that anybody who worries about the

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